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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] [ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: all right, welcome to "the young turks." we've got a big show ahead for you guys, and we're going to talk a lot about the nsa scandal and the twist with shia labeouf that might "transform" the conversation. i'm here all week expect for friday. okay, it sounds funny but seriously it's near the end of the show, you got to stay tuned for that. it may be that they're recording all of our calls and it's amazing we might be finding that out through a hollywood actor. let's start with the nsa story
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now. keith alexander was on capitol hill, and he was getting questioning, we which they're long overdue for. let's check that out and see first. >> the terrorist events that these have helped to prevent. >> now we collect millions and millions of records through 215 but dozens have proved critical, is that right? >> both here and abroad. >> cenk: all right i don't believe them. first of all, the nsa has been lying about this all throughout. the director of national intelligence james clapper he has lied in congressional hearings, and the senior intelligence official leaked
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that the 2009 subway bomber had been caught because of a phone program like the one with verizon, and that's how we find out who that terrible bomber was, and already prosecuted with that guy and in court documents it had nobody to do with his phones it had to do with his e-mails, and he had been e-mailing a guy who we knew was a terrorist, and we had-tracking under any and all circumstances. what they have been saying so far is nothing but a pack of lies. the nsa is supposed to lie to you, don't be like the rest of the people in the main treatment media, o my government would never lie to me. you still don't get it, trust me. that's what they do professionally. next part of this hearing. >> i saw an interview in which mr. snowden claims that due to his position at nsa he could tap into virtually any american's
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phone calls or e-mails. true or false? >> false. i know of no way to do that. >> cenk: oh, oh, no, tapping into your call, no, we couldn't do that, unless you're an actor like shia labeouf. of course they can tap into your calls. of course, the question is do they already have them stored already! let me show you james clapper. this is the guy we were talking about, the national director of intelligence. and he had said before, oh, collecting information on millions of americans golly gee, we would never do that. really? let's hear from him. >> does the nsa collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of americans? >> no, sir. >> it does not? >> not wittingly.
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there are case where is they could inadvertently perhaps collect, but not wittingly. >> cenk: now, of course, we went on television and said, well, that was the at least untruthful thing i could say at the time. that's the at least untruthful thing i could say oh, please. i'm going to bring in the panel ana kasparian and epic from "the war room." jayar jackson is here. and first i hear there is a chance that you and i will disagree, and that will make me lose my mind and that will be awesome. the nsa program, terrible, good, fine? >> the nsa program i would say is--in general terrible, good, fine? i would say fine. i would say run amok, and needs a little more transparency certainly than it has right now. to say good, terrible, fine, a nuanced question. >> cenk: okay, let me ask you this way.
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the fourth amendment says you have to lift the person's or places to be searched or seized. isn't it obviously unconstitutional? >> is it obviously unconstitutional? yeah i mean, actually cenk, i would have to say obviously it goes against what the spirit of the constitution is. is it obviously unconstitutioncalcal, i'm giving you an answer like clapper's answer. it wreaks of being unconstitutional. >> that's where it comes in with the classified info.. they're saying, well, and peter kingking, i don't know if we'll get to his response about it. but he's under the problem of having to keep classified information classified. that gives him cover if we keep
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talking about it i can't say things i'm not supposed to say so we have to go through to what you say i simply don't believe them. where do you fall in those lines, i believe you or i don't. and then you have proof why you don't. >> cenk: the nsa are proven liars. part of their job is to lie. >> i'm sorry anna, that's at the crux of what you're talking about. the flaw then would be to have some of these hearings as open as they are. whatpart of what nsa does is clandestine by nature. and if this is a sub hearing with a defendant who doesn't want to go public, some of this has to stay within the walls of congress. >> cenk: that's why you don't do clandestine operations against the american people. tell me the spying you're doing on china.
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the nsa should say we're doing none at all and if there are we're discussing it in closed chambers. >> that's what would make the people in america irate as well. >> cenk: no, of course they're spying on russia. who is irate about that, nobody! >> this is stepping it up, and absolutely they are. >> cenk: that's the least of our problems now. >> thethe central intelligence agency that's where they take issue. >> cenk: you come out and tell us what you're doing. it's a democracy this is our government. otherwise this is in contempt of court, you're lying and i'll put you in jail. >> the nsa has not done anything illegal, that's what they're saying in argument. if they haven't done illegal or unconstitutional, why are they
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panicking? why are they tripping over themselves. why do they so badly want to bring him bag to the united states and try him? why are they calling for glen greenwald for getting tried for treason. >> people who are calling for glen greenwald to be tried for treason is a little wacky. but this is the white house, and someone is taking control of information that they deem essential or sensitive whether it's essential or not. that's one of the most important parts of this. glen greenwald thing is a crock, and people are upset that some rogue journalist-- >> let me jump in with one more thing. what snowden has leaked, first of all has not been that specific. he told the american public that the nsa is collecting data on us and he didn't specify what% kind of algorithm how they're doing it, he just said, look, they're collecting this information, and they're doing
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so to american citizens. that's a big problem. this whole thing about constitutionality, i'm not buying it. it's unconstitutional. the government should not be able to do that. >> should not and are not are very different. you could argue that they shouldn't be able to. but the question, the legal question that has puzzled legal minds right this second-- >> cenk: look, here's the thing mike. david sirota wrote a great article on this. >> yes, he did. >> cenk: and we had him on yet. >> yes. >> cenk: there were four cases where the court says, yes, it is illegal and unconstitutional. but they didn't have standing before because the government wouldn't admit that they were spying in on us. now that they've admitted it, it is illegal and/or unconstitutional. >> but that's assumes and i talked about this with david that assumes the spying in on us part that have. that's different from the mining of the data about it. >> cenk: you don't mind that they--they have no probable cause on you or anyone you know.
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and they can get all the records of the people you called. and think about this angle chris pointed this out, very good point then you can't do investigative journalism. every time there is a leak they have the guy you called. >> it is impossible to get sources when this happens. that is a devastating blow to journalism, that is one of the by-products. i michael shure i assume this is going on any way. i'm not surprised by anything that edward snowden has shared. i'm not terribly bothered by it. i'm more upset about the nra than the nsa you don't have to compare apples and oranges, i'm not particularly bothered, but morelorene an egyptian woman who works here, she calls her family
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in egypt. >> cenk: i skype with my parents in turkey. if the government has all my business practices what decisions we're going to make, what we're going pay for a house house. >> and skypeing with glen greenwald. >> that's what we're going to do on the show. >> that's why i've gone back a couple of times. the polls have changed based on who is in president. not many people are surprised of course, they're always collecting our data. but people who voted for president bush when he's in office oh, he can mine my data. and those who voted for obama will say i voted for the guy i trust him. it goes to show how much trust we'll let them get away with it. you can look at my commuter
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records, my phone calls, my e-mails. why would he come after me because they have no problem with me. >> cenk: it's supposed to be rule of law not rule of men. >> i want to piggyback off of what he just said. it destroyed investigative journalism but political activism in the country. if they mine all this information on you and they can go back to it later to figure out what kind of conversations you're having and e-mailing about and they could find dirty laundry that you don't want made public. >> they did that to martin luther king jr. and they've done it to other movements. it's the people who are stronger who say screw you listen to my conversations. >> cenk: we shouldn't have to do that. >> it's generally fighting your government to some degree. >> cenk: when we come back, a senior harvard law will professor who cares about these technology issues and has fought
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tooth and nail the government, and we'll come back and discuss that and targeting journalists we'll talk about that when we come back. >> the nsa specifically targets the communication of everyone. it collects them in their system and filters them and analyzes them and measures them and stores them. any analysts at any time can argentina. rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of the day. >> do you think that there is any chance we'll see this president even say the words "carbon tax"? >> with an open mind... >> has the time finally come for real immigration reform? >> ...and a distinctly satirical point of view. >> but you mentioned "great leadership" so i want to talk about donald rumsfeld. >> (laughter). >> watch the show. >> only on current tv.
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>> cenk: all right first let me play you peter king making comments about glen greenwald who broke the story on journalists in yes, ma'am. >> greenwald, not only did he disclose this information, he said he has names of c.i.a. agents and assets around the world, and threatening to disclose that. the last time this was done in this country we saw the c.i.a. agent murdered in greece. no right is absolute, and even the press has certain restrictions. it's targeted, selective and it's a rare exception but in this case where you have someone who has disclosed streets like this--secrets like this and threatens to release more, legal actions should be taken against him. >> cenk: flat out, i want to get your reaction to that. >> well, it's a little scary. it's scary on both sides. i know glen, and i actually trust he has the right judgment
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to do things that will not threaten or create risks for people. i don't know what the government is going to do against journalists, and when they go against journalists like that, it creates a precedence that i'm not sure about. i think there is danger on both sides. >> cenk: i think it if they arrest glen greenwald and now that's congressman peter king and supporter of nra terrorism so it's ironic that he's feigning he is he against terrorism. but let me ask you a further question, if they try to indict or arrest julienne assange
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isn't it a similar situation if you open the door with assange couldn't you make the argument in the "washington post" and "new york times" you put out information just as assange did? >> well, it's certainly true that the arguments carries. it it's certainly true by the logic that it would extend to that, but the reality is they're not going to go after big organizations like "the new york times" and the "washington post" like they would go after independent journalists or journalist who is are not corrected with a strong constitution. the thing to worry about is not how much institutionalized press gets treated here. what we need to worry about is the diversity of people questioning what the government is doing in the democracy, that's exactly what we need to do. people like glen greenwald are important to keep journalism at work. "the new york times" said, let
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them in. >> cenk: they have $6 billion in contracts from the federal government well, james clapper is the current director of national intelligence, and it turns out he's a former booz allen executive. and then mike mcconnell who is the booz allen current vice chairman and was under president bush, and then james woolsey also a former boost booz allen and melissa hathaway, also with booz allen. as you look at all that, are you concerned that we have this revolving door between our intelligence officers and the company that profit off of privatizing our intelligence? >> yes, of course i'm concerned. the adjustment about which
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functions should be inside the government and which functions we should send out to private contractors should be made on what makes sense for america and not what makes sense for private contractors. if you have a revolving door where people expect they'll spend a couple of years with the government with a low salary and then go to the private contractors for a higher salary, and they keep going through that revolving door, it's the same problem we find on capitol hill with congressmen and their staff staffers becoming lobbyists. in the book "capital punishment," the most effective technique he had was approaching a chief of staff or senator saying what are you going to be two years from now. the staffer would say, i don't know. and he said, in two years from now look me up, and then he would own that staffer.
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consistent with that, will the congressmen and the stafferses have the integrity and strength to stand up against lobbyists when they know their future depends on keeping those lobbiesesist happy. >> cenk: you gave a brilliant speech about lesser land. what does that mean, and the correlation of money in politics a little bit more broadly not just in the revolving door, but how we may have lost in a sense. >> you know, people say we've got citizens united, corporations spending money too much money and the supreme court court, and i'm trying to identify what is the nature of the problem. i said in that speech let's look at the number of funders who are actually relevant in our system. how many people is that? at the most, the number of
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funders who are relevant in our as much is something like 140,000 americans. that means 140 .05% of american are the relevant funders of campaigns. members of congress spend 30% to 70% of their time reaching out to this 140,000 americans to raise the money they need to fund their campaigns. now as any human recognizes when you spend 30 to 70% of your time sucking up to this tiny fraction of 1% you can't help but become depend on them to at least fund your campaigns. you're going to do what you need to do to get your campaigns funded. that i think is the essence of what we should recognize as the corruption of the system. until we find a system, until we build a system where candidates fund their campaigns from the broad swath of americans as opposed to the 1%, we'll never
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have a democracy that we can trust is acting in the best on behalf of all of us. that's the world we live in now. those people determine who gets to run and really who ultimately wins in the general elections. >> cenk: real quick, do you think that we have lost the republic, that the politicians work for the donors and not for the people. >> oh, absolutely. we were going to have a republic where congress who is going to be quote, dependent upon the people alone. the people alone. we don't have that democracy. we don't have that republic. we have an one where they're dependent upon the people in the general election but first they're dependent upon the funders. and until we change that. until we have a system that is just dependent on the people, the publicrepublic that we were given,
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we have lost. if we're going fix that, if we're going to address any of the issues about climate change down to the nsa, any of those issues. >> cenk: check out mood strikers which the professor has founded. we'll be right back. and when we come back an amazing story out of a court in georgia. you won't believe what a judge asked a woman to do.
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[ ♪ theme music ♪ ] >> cenk: we're back on "the young turks." often on the show we talk about the miscarriage of justice. we've got the panel robin hit us. >> so it begins in a courtroom in georgia where a woman angela, was assaulted went to see the judge that was judge bryant cochrane. justice was not on the docket that day. >> he disclosed that he was looking for a mistress, someone he could trust. >> he said when his client angela met with judge bryant cochrane he started inquiring about her love life with her husband and before he decided her case, he made a request. >> he asked that she appear in his office before he made a decision in a dress with no underwear on. >> so the story goes on.
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she actually never went back to his courtroom. never had any intention. she did send him a couple of pictures of herself hoping to get justice. but realizing things were a miss, she made a report to the judicial council and that's when her troubles began. the next thing she knows she's wearing the silver bracelet. she's being arrested for possession of methamphetamine after cops find it in a metal box under her car. >> cenk: that's her car? that's awesome. >> she's with a friend of hers. her husband is arrested, that's a picture of the car. that guy is the deputy who actually arrests her. while she is getting arrested, she lawyers up. the lawyer said not only is my client not guilty, there is a setup going on here and he goes to the news. he exposes what is happening to
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his client and this coconspirator who was the hand man of judge crock ran listen, judge cochrane had me plant the methamphetamine, and the captain of the police department who is the judge's cousin is the one who directed us to arrest her. >> cenk: this is what i find interesting. if you would have stopped this here's what would have happened, oh, it's probably are a local meth ahead saying that the judge wanted to see her panties or without the panties. get out of here. that's not true. trust your government. the judge, of course the cops, conspiracy planted it on her? >> you're right. i read through the southern georgia county comments in the local newspaper, and there are still comments yeah, what kind of meth is she doing by the way, this is the crazy factoid about this.
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not only do you have to be a lawyer to be a judge not so in georgia. this guy was a cop beforehand. the guy who signs warrants is now the judge who is signing warrants. >> cenk: so there is a conflict of interest because he's much more likely to sign warrants for the cops. but if you don't know the law how can you be a magistrate. can the plumber be a magistrate? that's crazy. as we look at the case, i mean, the second thing that stood out to me, did you say that she send him some pictures. >> she did send pictures. she was in underwear but she thought, she felt pressured. she thought if i do this, then he'll see i'm trying to do what he wants me to do and he'll handle my case. >> before there it was revealed that there was a conspiracy, she
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is guilty, sending the poor judge these racy pictures, etc. i just want to get a sense of how power can crush the powerless. >> and listen, the two cops whoa have been arrested, none of them were arrested for conspiracy or planting drugs. they were arrested for lying on a police report. by the way the judge hasn't been charged at all yet. >> cenk: well, they better fix that. >> is he still on the bench? >> no, he resigned and we have his resignation. he claims in his resignation, it was as a result of signing warrants without being president. he said, i resign my position as chief magistrate, and i accept full responsibility for the warrants that were signed. my first responsibility is to my family and well-being. eight years ago i asked to be a public official but i never asked for my loved ones to be under fire.
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i love how he talks narcissistcally. >> cenk: isn't he the one who brought him back to the chambers my marriage is a little rocky your marriage is a little rocky. take off your panties. >> she was divorced. and her estranged husband said you got to do something about this. he said, my wife does not fulfill my sexual needs and i'm looking for a mistress. >> cenk: i love that too how dare you bring my family into this. dude. >> he was the first to say something. >> can i jump in quickly? obviously he's in the wrong. he should be charged for what he has done but i want to make a comment about her sending the pictures. i understand that she was pressured, it was wrong but instead of teachingcaling calculous two in high school, they should
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talk about common sense. if it's for your lover husband whatever for a judge who is trying to do so, just don't do it. it's always a bad idea. >> yes this sets up for the supreme court. >> cenk: should you send pictures. >> should a judge say i'll drop all charges. >> cenk: if a guy ever asks you to send pictures and if you send pictures he'll do x. but he will not do x he will ask for y because he now has pictures. >> and by the way they say it's healthy for older people. >> cenk: i wouldn't even do it then. now i've covered a lot of cases we've been on air for 11 years radio, online, and tv, and then there is a couple of cases ana you and i covered where a judge
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pressures these girls into sex, etc. and then the minute the girls have the sex, they are then presumed guilty. >> exactly yes. >> cenk: and so i just want people don't pre-judge. there is a sexual harassment cases, etc. and there is always, well, then you went back to work the next day or you is did that, so it must have been your fault. i think this case shows how much power can be inflicted on someone who doesn't have power and how incredible--how much pressure that brings to bear. >> and the difficulty that women have in society. from the casting couch to the judge's chambers to the halls of congress, this story is told from the point of view of men and women and has been for a long time. this underscores this as well. >> victims make great victims. it's a sex crimes prosecutor. if you're out there and you want to take advantage of someone, of
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course you're going to go to the person who is divorce has problems, and they're so skilled in finding the victims in the room. >> cenk: and cops abuse poor people on the streets more than rich people, why? because the poor people have no power. it's a sick cycle. cops, judges, the whole government, has to be incredibly careful about not abusing their power because human beings being what they are they'll gravitate towards abusing it, especially against the powerless. >> magistrate cochrane planted drugs on her car. for a mistress. all this for sex. it's amazing. sex. that's going to ruin everything else. >> cenk: it's a power thing as well. >> and it should be noted after
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this case came forward, it allowed for three other victims to come forward who worked in his court room. because of that shame, because of that denial and blame a lot of people don't come forward. it takes one brave soul. this woman is now the hero. >> cenk: look, he could have got gotten sex on craigslist and anywhere else. he got off being the judge and taking advantage of these women. one super last thing the lawyer who was the good guy in this case, his name is mccracken the judge's name was cochrane. >> mccracken is the greatest first name ever. when we come back, not only do we have shia labeouf later in the news, but talk about abuse of women here go the republicans again! they did it again. we'll explain when we come back. >> watch the show. >> only on current tv.
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>> cenk: all right, we're back on "the young turks." do you remember the republican war on women? of course you do, it was only a couple of months ago. turns out it's still raging. there was a committee meeting in the house and the republican from arizona talking about a bill where they limit abortion for 20 weeks. constitutionally you're allowed to have an abortion up to 24 weeks, but the republicans want to keep pulling that back. women, do they need rights over their own bodies? they would like to take that away and then he said this questionable thing. >> before when my friends on the left side of the aisle tried to make rape and incest the subject because the incident of rape resulting in pregnancy are very low. >> cenk: our panel is here. ana, michael shure, and jayar jackson. ana, can you believe he went to rates of pregnancy are low in a
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rape. >> i can believe it, because conservatives continuously fall into that trap. i don't know why they would do it. especially considering the blowback that they get as a result of that, but this is an ongoing thing within the republican party. it's part of the reason why they lost in the last election. it shows how out of touch they are. women do not want applications getting involved with their reproductive rights and violating their reproductive rights. i like this. i want them to continue. it is out of touch. women do not like it, and it is just going to basically do his party a disservice. >> cenk: everybody remembers todd aiken. let show the clip. this cost the republicans the senate seat. >> from what i understand from doctors it's it a legitimate rape the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down. let's assume that that didn't work or something--
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>> cenk: michael, the memo was sent by the republicans. do not ever talk about rape again. >> and it has hurt the party so much. they did this autopsy on why they lost in 2012 women minorities, being out of touch regressive in the social policies they're talking about. this comes out they weren't paying attention to the losses by aiken and mourdock, and why they lost in 2012. this keeps happening. you know why? because it's in their dna. this generation of republicans do not know how to not keep screwing up this way. and he wears a tie tack. in the shape of a fetus' feet to remind him of abortion constantly. he is a crazy man. but you know, this is an issue that that party has owned.
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it's part of their constituency. but as they're trying to reach out to other americans they're screing it up every day. >> cenk: in fact, listen to what he said about president obama on the issue of abortion. >> i just have to say that if that underscores why some of us refer to him as the abortion president. there has never been a more pro abortion leader in the white house in the united states of >> cenk: what does that mean? if you're pro-choice you're pro-choice. how are you more pro abortion. >> it's a way to continue to make someone the bad guy as they want to make sure he is. but i want to get to one point about his thoughts about the 20 weeks. he was against that amendment that would make exceptions forays and incest. it sounds like, not that this is getting him off the hook. he said after 20 weeks if its rape and incest, they'll take
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care of that beforehand. then we don't need that extra amendment. who cares is the bottom line. if they want to bury it, who cares if it's been 20 weeks in the instance of rape and abortion. in those incident, after 20 weeks, let them go. what's the problem. >> cenk: that's an important clarifying thing. franks came out later and backpedaled a little. someone "sen" from the rnc probably slapped him sand said, what are you doing. >> cenk: he's not going to care about the rne. it's going to be about perception. we need to have a favorable perception so i don't think he's listen together rnc. >> cenk: here is another irony. republicans were against big government, but when big government wants to make the most private decision that you can make about your family,
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literally, your life, everything about--he wants to be right in your uterus, right? also, these are the guys--i'm not sure about frank' position, but the republicans in general this is the one thing that they rally to obama's defense is the nsa. what is the nsa? big government. spying in on us. these are the guys who say oh, we can't have a federal gun registration because that is the violation of our privacy. but when you get their telephone records and e-mail, that's fine. >> they love big government for everything but the financial sector. they want to make sure that businesses aren't regulated and taxes are low. >> cenk: it's not big government. that's a lie. ana makes a great point. all they care about are lower taxes, less regulation so we can take more of the money for ourselves. >> and the biggest piece of government was written by republicans, the biggest bureaucracy in the united states
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states. >> and they're being the doctor and taking care of their own particular issue. >> cenk: and the projection is obama is getting between you and your doctor. you've been trig to get between me and my doctor for 50 years. what do you mean. now shia labeouf turns out four or five years ago he talked about the nsa possibly the nsa program and said the most revealing thing. it might actually change the whole tenor of this conversation conversation. i can't do the transformer joke. >> the fbi consultant, it was one of those phone calls, what are you wearing type of things. it was weird.
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on "the young turks." i'm telling you the shia labeouf thing is huge. hermela aregawi is here to tell us all about it. >> today the producers came across a 2008 interview of actor shia labeouf with jay leno promoting his movie. but the conversation turned to his suspicions of government spying. >> i remember we had an fbi consultant telling us that they could use your security bus microphone to get stuff that is going on in your house or on-star, they could shut your car down. and one in five phone calls were recorded and logged, and then played back a phone conversation that i had two years prior. it was one of those phone calls what are you wearing type of things. >> really? >> yes, it was weird. >> hey that conversation might be relevant later so the government has to put it aside just in case whoever they're talking to is a terrorist obviously. >> cenk: what are you wearing
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stuff, i think he was joking, right? and who knows? it's secondhand, is it true or not, but if it's true, then doesn't that mean that they're definitely recording the calls in which case they've been lying about not recording the calls all along, which is enormous? >> it doesn't make sense to me that they would collect all of these records but not have the content of the call. >> i think they collect the record and the in order to get access to the content there is another hoop they have to go through, and people will do anything. i guess he was the star of this picture. people will do anything for the star. let me show you what we can do. >> no, no, wait a minute. there is another problem too right? you think that the guys like that are working these systems are angels? >> no, of course not. >> we've got 1.3 million people
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working in this country with access to classified information. that is shia labeouf we don't know if he was kidding about the phone sex, but. what about angelina jolie's phone calls. if they're all recorded, do you think there's not going to be one abuse, dozens of abuses. >> there have been abuses with passport offices with famous people. >> my one thought about this whole nsa thing is this. if you're saying as a government we have to collect everything in order to make you safe, it says to me that you're not competent. where is the intelligence and the expertise that helps you to be selective on who you're spying on. to me, i'm going to the doctors office with a couple of symptoms and the doctor says sure we have to check everything. there is a reason why you go to the expert for that type of thing. i don't trust our intelligence officers to know what they're doing.
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>> john: to have >> a lot of those people are private conservativers. >> that's the biggest story of this whole story. they have access to this. >> cenk: 70% of the intelligence budget goes to private contractors. as we discussed earlier the guys who decided they were going to get those 70% of the budget are guys who used to work at private contractors like booz allen. >> you know how much clients they have? one. they're not really private contractors. they're government contractors. they're extensions. >> and they get a hell of a lot more money. >> the government is their client. >> cenk: and they jump to this department without oversight. >> cenk: and we're missing an incredibly important part of this story. in fact, this was all about the money. they're not catching people. that's why we told the story earlier in the show about the new york subway, oh, we caught
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the guy because of the phone thing. we tried that guy and you didn't present any phone records. we caught him because of an e-mail he sent to a known terrorist. they were lying about that. it's not to track the guys, catches guys. you were making a point earlier in the day, it was a good un,hermela, you were talking about it, in 9/11 they had all the information right? they knew it, but they didn't analyze it. they didn't put it together. it's because there is too much information, so what it is is they collect all this information in order to make the $6 billion that booz allen mix. >> that's right. when something doesn't make sense it has to be the money. >> cenk: a couple of the whistle blowers that obama went after was because they blew the whistle on a program called "trailblazer" which was ineffective and cost billions of dollars, and michael hayden authorizeed it who then went to work with a private contractor,
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who was run by the head of the department of homeland security. this whole thing is a scam to take money out of the taxpayer's pockets and put it in the pocket of those in the revolving door. >> i really want to believe that the u.s. government is well intended and know what they're doing. but they had an opportunity to explain themselves, and they were horrendous. every step of the way the intelligence officers are making mistakes left and right. did they not prepare for the day when this information would be leaked to explain why they had to do this. they have not made a good case. >> cenk: another thing about the money. if you wanted to make the kind of money-making enterprise that no one could deny, what would you do? this is so important. i'm stopping terrorists. nobody is going to cut your money off. >> i think their intentions, i think you're right on so much
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that you're talking about but i think these people do intend and stop terrorism, curtail it. >> i think probably a majority of them in order to sleep at night earnestly believe that while they continue to cash the check. but michael hayden is not one of those guys. he had the opportunity to do thin thread which is much more effective and more productive and cost less money but he wasn't going to make money off of that. >> he was the one person who was not going to make money off of that. it's not dangerous to say it, i think there are people in this who actually believe that these programs are helping to stop terrorism, and i think there are examples of when they have. >> where are they? >> by virtue 69 fact-- >> they've had opportunities to talk about these examples. >> they don't feel there is
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anyone they have to answer to. >> cenk: there is one point i want to make for when we come back.
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>> cenk: the most abuse in the nsa that we've talked about who was his mentor, james clapper who obama chose to be head of nsa for his intelligence administration. that's all we have for you, bye bye. >> john: americans love their privacy, at least that's what they've been telling everybody on their facebook, twitter tumblr, but the debate continues to rage on and edward snowden may never be able to reintermeshing. why ask so much of the media focused on mr. snowden and not the bipartisan cluster frack of government spying. and juicing with steroids. we might be able to work in a

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